explain why your towns are not the tourist traps these type of resorts target.

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curmudgeon
Posts: 3788

Beach Development
1/30/2006 4:40:08 PM

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Folks, they are trying to sell you a bill of goods. If you want to see what they have in store go to South Padre or Galvestion.

On South Padre you can drive for five miles without seeing the water. There is check to jowel development consisting mostly of high rise condos and motels along the water side of the major access road.

At Galveston you have the same situation of a restriction on driving on the beach in the entire Galvestion city limit. While there is access to the beach it limited and parking is scarce.

They are promising all this free parking and such but there is no guarantee that it will remain that way. There is already a move underway to eliminate free on street parking near the beaches in Galveston.

The last think they want is for the people to have a say in this decision.


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Wild Ape
Posts: 3983

Re: Beach Development
1/30/2006 4:57:06 PM

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I have to say they pulled this stunt like pros. They''ll make it a legal precident. Chesney speaks out of his alternate orifice very well. I still won''t buy it.
Cal
Posts: 963
Re: Re: Beach Development
1/30/2006 5:04:56 PM

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What will happen to NAS Corpus,CCAD,and the Coast Guard at NAS when all the condo''s and development takes place on the Island.

Where will all the ""Fleet Jets"" from Kingsville practice?

Make you choice and be heard today. NAS and the Military or Condos Crowdes and high taxes to pay for all this.

Ask yourself this question. How much am I going to put into my pocket? Not a dam cent.

Methinks there are two around the dial today that want to sell us out for a dollar. But then, that''s the name of the game.
curmudgeon
Posts: 3788

You are giving up you beach access . . .
1/30/2006 5:05:33 PM

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. . . so that folks who own hotel, motel, and restaraunts can make money. Unless you own a hotel, motel or restaraunt all you will get is higher taxes.

They will promise you free parking, showers and free drinks on the beach. They promised the folks who voted for the income tax in 1913 that it would only be 1% and only on the rich,
Rudy
Posts: 185

Re: You are giving up you beach access . . .
1/30/2006 5:31:17 PM

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You know I have lived here all of my life and I had no idea this was a tourist town.

Paraphrasing Chesney today ""That this town has always been a tourist town.""

I think we are more of a retirement community. Anyway when has this city ever down anything to attract tourists not a damn thing and now they want to do this thing on our beaches.

The City has screwed up our downtown and I can''t even take a drive down Shoreline which I really enjoyed becuase they are fixing our sea wall and I have never seen a worker out there before. I hope it does not turn out like Ennis Joslin becuase I go to school out at TAMUCC and they are still not finished with it!!!!

Please do not mess with our beaches I like driving on the beach and parking my car somewhere next to the water open the bend to my truck and have a nice picnic with family and friends. This resort crap is only going to benefit those with big pockets and that''s it. Not common citizens if they wanted to help the common folks out they wouldn''t have passed on Sea World and Schiltterbahn. Those projects would have benefited everyone.

If this comes up for a vote I am voting it down just like I did with the smoking ban thing. Hey speaking of the smoking ban there has been quite a few restuarants that have closed down around town. Any correlation there? UMMMM.....

Rudy
Posts: 185

Re: Re: You are giving up you beach access . . .
1/30/2006 5:58:29 PM

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Another thing the City Council needs to stop doing us favors. Really, dont do us any favors, Chesney (Who lives in Dallas).

Wild Ape
Posts: 3983

Rudy pretty much sums it up for me
1/30/2006 8:59:31 PM

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I just don''t trust them. Sorry. Two days after an election they already change the goal posts.

I''m sure it is hard for a politician to take the heat for all the ills. Perhaps the situation is complicated but my gut feel is that his heart is in Dallas, not here. I''ve lived in tourist towns and no offense, this isn''t one. I think Rudy is right. This place is quiet and nice like a retirement community. What is wrong with that? Build a refinery here. That will catch my attention.
bigo
Posts: 694
Re: Rudy pretty much sums it up for me
1/30/2006 9:17:50 PM

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I spend most of my beach time down the Natioanl Seashore or at Mustang State park (but I''m getting tired of lugging my stuff to the picnic tables).

With the currents, is the trash as bad toward Packery Channel as it is on down the island? And I wonder if they will haul in white sand for the resorts?
EVW
Posts: 238

Look at the accurate entire picture.
1/31/2006 10:40:58 AM

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You still have 74 miles including the North Jetty of Packery Channel which you can drive on or up to. You also have 60 some miles you can drive past 7,400 feet of the South Jetty. From the 300 capacity parking lot with free parking (already written as part of the cities action) you have direct access to the beach, 1,400 feet to the South Jetty (resort patrons have 1,200 feet to walk) and a board walk that goes directly from the parking lot to the South Jetty. Not to mention the public restrooms and showers and bus routes to the parking lot. The development was part of the cities pitch on the Packery election. This is nothing new because I talked about it years ago. If you want business to spend their money to grow our economy there is always going to be a compromise. It''s incredibly small for 1.5 billion dollars of planed, balanced development with no tax abatements. I want more money in C.C. as it means more dollars allocated for advertising and that means I make more money. Yes,Curm. People who spend the kind of money to stay in this planned world class facility do buy boats while on vacation. My family has done it and friends of mine with far more money than I have done it several times. Boats and RVs are the exception to big ticket purchases made while traveling but that’s really not at the heart of the issue. This is my shot, our shot to have the economy, income, in the city we want to live in. We can stop loosing people to San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, and Austin. The Domino effect will only happen if we the people want it to and quite frankly I don''t think there is an ounce of support for any more pedestrian beach than the 7,400 feet for this project.
HardcoreHarry
Posts: 2338

Re: Look at the accurate entire picture.
1/31/2006 10:54:11 AM

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They also buy up houses which in turn ruin established neighborhoods by turning masses of houses into holiday rentals. Yeah it is a thriving industry. Sure it makes money. However, it drives families away. The one thing that was most notable on moving from Port Aransas to North Padre Island was the tolerable decibel level.: No more screeching of tires up back streets all hours in the morning.; No more drunken orgies that spill out into the streets. Ya ever wondered how people behave when on vacation? It isn''t pretty a lot of times. I would prefer that ugly side of the tourist dollar stay the hell out of my neighborhood thank you!

Hardcore Harry

HardcoreHarry
Posts: 2338

I am assuming theu are still ignoring...
1/31/2006 11:04:26 AM

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access for the disabled to the beach proper in this plan you have seen? Chesney still singing praises of the jetty????

If that is the case, it is a deal breaker for me Eric.


Hardcore Harry
EVW
Posts: 238

Re: I am assuming theu are still ignoring...
2/1/2006 8:53:53 AM

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I have been stressing that the board walk you suggested some weeks back is a part of the plan. The board walk will go directly from the public parking lot to the south jetty. You can drive right up to the north jetty and for miles and miles north. 7,400 feet past the the south jetty you can drive on the beach for miles and miles.
curmudgeon
Posts: 3788

I am looking at the accurate picture . . .
1/31/2006 11:23:53 AM

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. . . just from a different perspective. You stand to make money. Most folks only stand to lose access to the beach, higher taxes and an opportunity to move if they happend to be middle class island residents.

All the enticements they have promised are temporary. They will gradually be phased out once the developers have what they want. The loss of the beach access will be permanent.
EVW
Posts: 238

Re: I am looking at the accurate picture . . .
2/1/2006 8:59:05 AM

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I won''t support any addition pedestrian only sections of beach and I don''t think a majority of voters would either. Especially since the expert our city paid to tell us what we needed to do to grow our economy said don''t spend your money on tourism and focus on expanding existing business and attracting new business. Besides, I don''t see this 7,400 feet being an area I have to drive on. I usually drive north of the Packery inlet anyway.
HardcoreHarry
Posts: 2338

I caught Chesney''s self righteous outburst
1/30/2006 9:28:37 PM

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True or not Brettypoo, the whole episode has the ""appearances"" of impropriety. At the very least, us voters ought to pay your and the council back for your “dumb” decisions as YOU phrased them by booting you to the curb and send you packing to Dallas for real this next election. The voters in Corpus Christi deserve better representation from someone who committed to actually making Corpus home. Then again, it would be harder to exploit those inside tracts on real estate deals by using the connections to the office you so clearly will not surrender to a “real” local representative. So do not get all self-righteous when your should be “former” constituents call into question your modus operandi.


I for one take a tragicomic view of your little slots on the air where you are so busy selling this beach development like a two bit huckster. You would be even funnier if the stakes were not so high Mr. Chesney.


Hardcore Harry
anasazicoyote
Posts: 801

Re: Beach Development
1/30/2006 8:08:04 PM

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if developers want beachfront property let them buy some land on the laguna side and install their own waterway.
curmudgeon
Posts: 3788

Why buy land . . .
1/30/2006 8:16:01 PM

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. . . when they can get slugs like Brent Chesney and Mark Scott to give them ours.
H.H. Islander
Posts: 2
Respectful Disagreement
1/30/2006 9:15:16 PM

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I''m amazed none of you sell anything, none of you fix anything and none of you Build anything!
Responsible building benefits everyone with a job. Our population is growing.
Weather you like it or not C.C. is growing.
Now, with Responsible Development comes many needs. If any of you have a job, Whatever you do, we will need more of it. If your a janitor, there will be more to clean. If your a Doctor, there will be more to heal. If your a plumber, there will be more to Plumb.
You see, Everyone wins.
Now, about the beach! Driving on the Beach, IN TOWN! Makes about as much sense as driving on the sidewalk!
I''m all for Driving and Camping on the Beach. BUT NOT IN TOWN! I do want access to the Beach & parking too!
Im so sorry to break the news to everyone, Smoking is bad for you and this is not a Fishing Village any more!
Welcome to the 21st Century!
curmudgeon
Posts: 3788

Most of the folks here have jobs . . .
1/30/2006 9:31:26 PM

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. . and degrees, some of us several of them. I''ve lived here longer than you have probably been alive and I have forgotten more about building and business than you will ever know. Tourist don''t bring the kind of jobs Corpus Christ needs. Tourist don''t use doctors, or lawyers or engineers or dentists or mechanics or architects or . . . well you get the idea. This developement will use a few professionals during the building stage but after that it will be mostly maids and waitress and dishwashers.

The beaches, all the beaches not just those outside the city limits belong to the people of Texas. Texas passed a law in 1959 that says the Texas beach is a state highway. You need to do a little research.
H.H. Islander
Posts: 2
Re: Most of the folks here have jobs . . .
1/31/2006 12:13:24 AM

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Mr. Curmudgeon,
GET SERIOUS!
1st.I bet your not 5 years older than me!
2nd.As for how much you have forgotten, who knows, I sure its considerable!
3rd.Tourist Jobs, Don''t be so naive! This is way bigger than Tourist hotels. In addition to hotels, homes and villages will be built. Schools and markets will go up. High end taxpayers will move to the island.
Mr. Curmudgeon, its time to come out of the vapor. The island will need just as many Professionals as anyplace else.
4th. ""All Texas Beachs are State Highways"" Mr. Curmudgeon, I was around in 1959 and evan then I didn''t sunbath in the middle of any State Highways. You see in 1959 we did a lot of things differant. I don''t think Chevrolet is still building that 348cu V8 anymore! Times change and we all need to change with them, before we are all left behind.
HardcoreHarry
Posts: 2338

Re: Re: Most of the folks here have jobs . . .
1/31/2006 12:12:33 AM

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Schools, markets, villages and high-end taxpayers?

I look around and all of those are already here.

JFK Causeway and the Ferry in Port Aransas barely handle the traffic load here on the islands during peak times. To be honest, there are times during the peak tourist spikes we do not even try to leave the house as getting anywhere in a timely manner is virtually impossible. A spike in development that does not address the two access choke points to the islands will be a miserable failure.

Regarding these ""High end"" taxpayers you are promising. Are these the same ones who want to create their own defacto private ferry system by charging $250 a year for priority ferry passes in Port Aransas? Yeah I have seen the way big money has been filleting out the north end of Mustang Island over the years. There are some families whom the streets of Port Aransas are named after who can barely afford to live in their overvalued and overtaxed homes. That is real progress for ya huh Islander? Now we are going to move more of that “big money” 17 miles south and have it works its inevitable magic?

/sarcasm


Hardcore Harry
curmudgeon
Posts: 3788

I''m not really that old . . .
1/31/2006 7:17:29 AM

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. . . one day I may grow up but I doubt it.

Most jobs created will be jobs associated with the tourist trade namely low wage service industry jobs. There will be some high paying jobs during the construction phase but these will mostly be filled by out of town firms.

What I have forgotten is not as important as what I know which seems to concern you.

High end taxpayers will move in forcing out the folks who are presently living on the island leaving an enclave for the rich. The service workers will communte in much like they do in Miami Beach or Palm Springs.

An excerpt for the Texas Open Beach Act:

""No local government may regulate vehicular traffic so as to prohibit vehicles from an area of public beach or impose or increase public beach access, parking, or use fees in any manner inconsistent with the policies of Section 61.011 of this code or the rules promulgated thereunder.""

The legislature declared the Texas beaches state highways because they wanted unrestrestriced vehicle access to Texas beaches not because they were too stupid to realize that beaches were not highways.

In 1959 Chevrolet made the 348 (actually they made it before 1959 but used it in trucks). The 348 and its sybling the 409 died. That same year they made the 283. It lives on as the small block chevy, the latest itteration producing more than 400 horsepower in the 2006 Corvette.
Cal
Posts: 963
Re: Re: Most of the folks here have jobs . . .
1/31/2006 7:30:28 AM

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Make your chouce: NAS and its jobs or High rise Condos on the beach. You will not have both in my lifetime.

First time Fleet Jets sound off the phones will ring off the wall.

Move now or pay later!
Capt Carrales
Posts: 1983

Ah ha!!!
2/1/2006 12:22:06 AM

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I hadn''t even thought of that. NAS or the Condos?
BlindBob
Posts: 794
Re: Respectful Disagreement
1/30/2006 10:12:54 PM

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First they only wanted a little bit of beachfront, so the tourists wouldn''t be run over by those wild-eyed maniacs from the city. Those same ''city people'' who had somehow managed not to run over and kill too many people in all those decades. In fact, the statistics are so low that its nearly impossible to find any information.

Then they wanted a little more beachfront. And they won''t be satisfied until they have it all. Miami Beach, Galveston, South Padre Island.

I won''t favor giving these modern day Carpetbaggers one square inch of beachfront. They don''t give a ratz behind about Corpus Christi or anyone who lives here. We''ve gotten along just fine without em and we can get along just fine in the future without em.

With props to Counting Crows:

They paved paradise and put up a parkin'' lot
With a pink hotel, a boutique, and a swingin'' hot spot
Don''t it always seem to go
That you don''t know what you got till it''s gone
They paved paradise and put up a parkin'' lot



LONEWOLF
Posts: 747
Actually...
2/6/2006 12:18:26 PM

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...an old Joni Mitchell tune.
BlindBob
Posts: 794
Re: Respectful Disagreement
1/30/2006 10:21:51 PM

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And one more, from the Pretenders:

WENT BACK TO OHIO
BUT MY PRETTY COUNTRYSIDE
HAD BEEN PAVED DOWN THE MIDDLE
BY A GOVERNMENT THAT HAD NO PRIDE
THE FARMS OF OHIO
HAD BEEN REPLACED BY SHOPPING MALLS
AND MUZAK FILLED THE AIR
FROM SENECA TO CUYAHOGA FALLS
SAID, A, O, OH WAY TO GO OHIO

curtis rock
Posts: 1457

Rhetoric...
1/31/2006 8:05:44 AM

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You sound pretty convincing, except to people who actually understand how things actually work.

I''ve heard you say that a few high-paying jobs will exist soley during construction, and after the construction phase is completed the rest of the jobs will be low-paying jobs that cater towards tourists. This is far from true. Remember, a big resort will depend on more than janitors, bellhops, room service, and front desk personnel. Resorts will also require management, accountants, lawyers, marketing, and various other jobs. In defense of your claim, these jobs will be more scarce than minimum wage jobs, but these jobs always are. What I consider promising is the fact that the lower wage jobs are created in addition to higher paying jobs.

Any time you create work for people, I think it is a good thing. About 2% of people age 25 and older have a minimum wage job, so these jobs would be great for people in school at Texas A&M University Corpus Christi, or for our local highschools. Some of these people will have the opportunity to move upward into management positions upon graduation.

In addition to people hired exclusively by the resort, the resort will also hire other firms to provide products and services. I highly doubt the resort will mow their own grass or supply their own office products, they''ll probably use a landscaping company like Fox Nursery and an office supply company like Gulf Coast Paper. Vacationers will probably order pizza from a local pizza joint like a Dominos or Padre Island Pizzaria. Linen and uniforms will be serviced by a uniform company like Unifirst or Cintas. Entertainment services lke hula dancers, mariachis, and clowns would be needed for guests, and the sound systems would have to be rented and run by a sound professional. Now, I''m not in the business of hotels or resorts, so I can''t name every single company they would contract for their daily operations. But the few services I have named would probably be worth millions annually in contracts.

I look at my small 25-man operation at Rock Engineering, and how many vendors and suppliers we have, and all of the monthly bills we pay to them. So I can say that Rock Engineering exists for more than just the owners and our employees, but also for our vendors. Remember, employees and vendors get paid first; owners get the leftovers.
curmudgeon
Posts: 3788

I have considerably . . .
1/31/2006 8:20:53 AM

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. . . more business experience than you seem to including owning a restaraunt. I know precisely the kind of jobs that will come with the tourist industry. The vast majority will be low paying service jobs. There will be a few management jobs, hell, even prostitutes have pimps.

Again, tourist don''t buy cars or boats. They don''t use doctors or lawyers or engineering firms.

The tourist industry will come to Corpus Christi whether we want it here or not. We don''t need to give away public access to the beach to get it here.
BlindBob
Posts: 794
Re: I have considerably . . .
1/31/2006 12:04:35 PM

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Step two blocks away from the fancy resorts and beach hotels in Cancun, Cozumel or Aruba and you will find the real impact on the people. Is that what we want parts of Corpus Christi to look like?

There is no doubt that building a big huge fancy resort in the area will create jobs. Low paying service industry jobs.

Corpus Christi is growing. If you have not driven along Yorktown or Saratoga or Airline or Cimmaron or out to the Island in a while, try it. The roadways are jammed, farming fields are disappearing faster than one can count them. MULTITUDES of housing developments are under construction. Take a drive down SPID at 5:15 pm. I don''t buy into this ''we need this city to grow'' stuf. We can''t keep up with the growth we are experiencing NOW.

U.S.Census and FBI Crime stats tell us this:
In the last 4 years, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin have all grown faster than Corpus. Corpus has grown at about the same rate as Dallas on a percentage basis. ALL of those cities have crime rates larger than Corpus Christi.




Wild Ape
Posts: 3983

Curtis, listen up
1/31/2006 1:26:38 PM

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I come from a state where they thrive on tourist industry. Look at Las Vegas and Reno today is just like Los Angelas. The vast majority of work will be service. Bob is 100% correct in his estimation. Reno is better off because it has attracted industry. Those have the kind of jobs you describe.

Lake Tahoe was once all public beach. Today a very small strip of public beach is left. This happened within my lifetime. I''m against this. I''m not anti rich. I''m just pro community and individualism.
curtis rock
Posts: 1457

With your business experience...
2/1/2006 12:38:38 AM

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Why did you even open a restaurant, perhaps the riskiest business venture known to mankind? Hopefully it wasn''t in South Texas, because you''d have to be Mexican or Greek to be successful, or own a big-name national franchise.

I realzie tourists aren''t using the lawyers, doctors, or engineers of the community, but they are using entrepreneurs of other sorts here. Also, the resort is using other professional services which I''ve already mentioned in previous posts - owned and operated by people who make a lot of money doing so, and employ people as well. There''s a lot of wealth to be created by this resort.

If there''s low-paying service jobs, then someone is making good money somewhere - or will at one time.
curmudgeon
Posts: 3788

Restaraunts are risky . . .
2/1/2006 6:10:36 AM

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. . . but they make money if you work your ass off, cash money.

If there''s low-paying service jobs, then someone is making good money somewhere - or will at one time.

I don''t quite follow your logic. We ought to bring minimum wage jobs to Corpus Christi because there are rich folks somewhere who will put them to work.
curtis rock
Posts: 1457

Re: Restaraunts are risky . . .
2/1/2006 8:16:18 PM

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You followed my logic well. There are people who are making good money, and are able to provide jobs for others so they can also participate in the economy - even if it''s a smaller level.

You can twist it to make it seem like low wages are a bad thing. The alternative is no wages.
Cal
Posts: 963
Re: Re: Restaraunts are risky . . .
2/2/2006 8:08:05 AM

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I agree with that statement. Low wages are better than no wages with the following exception.

""Welfare is still better than working for low wages."" This buys cake and you can eat it also.
curtis rock
Posts: 1457

Welfare...
2/2/2006 12:46:06 PM

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Subsidies like welfare and minimum wage are considered artificially high prices for labor. This always leads to a surplus. The surplus is labor in this case.

Why be productive if you''re rewarded to do otherwise? Makes sense not too.
Uriel
Posts: 798
Re: Beach Development
1/31/2006 5:52:31 PM

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OHHH YEAHHH...we are attracting the right kinds so far!
According to a letter to the editor of the local paper, The ''Girls Gone Wild'' music tour is comming to Corpus Christi on March 17th at Concrete Street. OH BOY! Won''t be long till they do the big bang on our royal beaches.
How many here are gonna let their daughters have some fun and go!

Way to go, Corpus Christi.
We''re ah movin'' on up, eh?
Rudy
Posts: 185

Re: Re: Beach Development
1/31/2006 9:38:14 PM

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Didn''t the City Council already extend the amount of beach this resort was going to take up in the first place? I think they did.

Are beaches are unique compared to other places such as South Padre and Galveston. Those places you can''t drive on the beach and you can go for miles without seeing anything because of the sea wall.

You mean to tell me that they are just going to build this one resort and that''s it?

I just can not believe that.

Hey Bob did you see on the crime stats that compared to the whole state of Texas our rape rate here is significantly higher than the state''s?

We have our kind of crime here like bulgary, rape, and vandalism.

BlindBob
Posts: 794
Re: Re: Re: Beach Development
1/31/2006 9:43:39 PM

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Rudy ....
Sure did (crime statistics). When the cities are compared some had more of this and others had more of that. Taken as a whole, Dallas, Houston, Austin and San Antonio all had overall crime rates higher than Corpus.

Ours is still too dang high though.

curtis rock
Posts: 1457

crime rates...
2/1/2006 12:42:14 AM

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One thing about Crime Rates is that they''re like any statistic, derived solely from reports.

For example, in big cities, vandalism and burglary goes widely unreported because citizens realize nothing serious will result from filing with the police.
EVW
Posts: 238

Listen to reason for just a minute
2/4/2006 12:06:56 PM

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All the things your all afraid of if this Packery project goes through is just as likely to happen whether we have a small pedestrian beach or not. In fact just looking back not more than 5 years ago when the populace becomes frustrated with the increased cost of living and stagnant wages they will be easily convinced to vote in favor of another tax and spend idea that raises all our taxes again. By the way, Curm and Capt., don''t you guys live in Kingsville anyway? You guys seem to be great proponents of the old phrase, ""those who forget their history are destined to repeat it."" We''ll? Come on guys, learn from our recent history. Out of all the complaints you have registered on the issue only one can''t be explained away by the facts and that''s the ""slippery slope"" argument that if we create this pedestrian only beach they will make it all pedestrian only. This argument is dismissed by learning from our recent history and common sense. By refusing compromise on this small section of beach now we nullify this deal. The public resentment and lackluster economic activity will prime the next entrepreneur to ask for something much more expansive and, even if it goes to the voters, they will give it up enthusiastically. Supporting this now diffuses the issue and puts the focus squarely on the city government to deliver what they promised. Our future is only what we force our government to make it. Stone-walling alone isn''t enough we must support and encourage as well.
Capt Carrales
Posts: 1983

An injustice begun in one part of the nation...
2/6/2006 4:10:02 PM

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...is an injustice the world over.

Eric, all I see is that a right/privledge is to be restricted on a public beach which bears all the fruit of limiting access for the benefit of a few WEALTHY types.

Why don''t they build the develoment in Loyola or Riviera where one of this will be an issue? A new road to Corpus would connect it quite well...and, it is the winfall of economic development...then it will flourish no matter where it is.

Plus...the people of those places will not be displaced, nor restricted since those spots of beach are hard to get to anyway with current infrastructure?

Logical...? But not viable to the powers that be...it is far better to ""rape"" the island than to really develop anything.

Those are my problems with the whole thing.

Now, I have no benefit to reap...no company to milk profits...nor will I afford to live in the Corpus-arium Vitae envisioned...but, I will have the opportunity to serve as a ""serf"" to those who live there via a low paying job, will not be able to drive to a quiet section of beach and I will be able to walk the rotten husk of Downtown and other parts of Corpus sacrified to this GOLDEN COW.

In anycase, I guess you win Eric...I''m finished. Only time will tell anyway.
curtis rock
Posts: 1457

Re: An injustice begun in one part of the nation...
2/6/2006 6:42:45 PM

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Eric, all I see is that a right/privledge is to be restricted on a public beach which bears all the fruit of limiting access for the benefit of a few WEALTHY types.

More than just wealthy types will be able to earn a living from this. The only jobs created will not be minimum wage jobs, but probably the majority of jobs created will. Keep in mind that a demand will be created where other businesses such as Eric''s advertising will be required. As I''ve already mentioned in other posts, there is a laundry list of businesses that the resort will utilize, which also employ people.

""Why don''t they build the develoment in Loyola or Riviera where one of this will be an issue? A new road to Corpus would connect it quite well...and, it is the winfall of economic development...then it will flourish no matter where it is.""

Location Location Location. Would you build a Neiman Marcus in Robstown? They won''t even put one in Corpus Christi because there isn''t a demographic or a high population density of wealthy people to support a Neiman Marcus - just like your aforementioned towns cannot support a high scale resort like this.

It''s not logical, and it''s not viable. What''s logical is choosing a business location which is more suitable for the bottom line.
Capt Carrales
Posts: 1983

We''ll see if your right...
2/6/2006 6:56:41 PM

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...but remember it was you that built the bed all of South Texas will have to sleep in...good or bad.

As for Location et al...You think too highly of Corpus Christi.

Corpuscentrism...ha, didn''t someone here once mention petards and hoisting or something?
curtis rock
Posts: 1457

Re: We''ll see if your right...
2/6/2006 8:40:37 PM

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I''m pretty sure I''m right.

Corpus Christi is clearly the best choice because of size, infrastructure, urban location, etc. Why vacation in your towns of recommendation when the closest shopping mall and other attractions are an hour away?

Do I need to even talk about the importance of name-brands? Marketing research demonstrates that vacationers are more likely to choose a Wal Mart, Subway, Starbuck''s, or McDonalds to make purchases because they''re familiar. Everything is pretty much the same from the menu to the floorplan, and to the service and the decoration. Marketing shows that people are creatures of habit, and like familiarity and purchases show this.

Corpus Christi has more of these places than Kingsville or Riviera, and thus offers a more attractive location.

Now me, I''m slightly a creature of habit but am very spontaneous as well. So it didn''t bother me to be on the Big Island of Hawaii away from the commercialized Hawaiian Islands like Oahu or Maui. The Big Island is less of a tourist destination because it lacks a lot of the urban amenities, making it less attractive to large-scale tourism - and less commerce from tourism as a result.
Cal
Posts: 963
Re: Re: An injustice begun in one part of the nation...
2/6/2006 7:32:50 PM

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Hey Good Buddy. Just how many $$$$$ do you plan on making from this fiasco? I don''t plan to make a dam cent off of it.

I like the Cpt''s idea. It is great. We get to keep our beautiful back water burg by the bay and are happy and the rich and famous have their place to ""walk in the Sunshine"". Everyone is happy :) :) :)

Sell your idea Cpt.
curtis rock
Posts: 1457

Re: Re: Re: An injustice begun in one part of the nation...
2/6/2006 8:28:55 PM

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If the project comes to fruition, it''s a 1 in 4 chance that the company I work for will have the opportunity to provide our services. If it doesn''t go through, zero chance. A firm like mine has 5 professionals, and nobody makes minimum wage - so nobody can say this development is creating only minimum wage jobs.

Now, Capt''s idea would be great if his locations were right. However, there''s not a big draw to that area like Corpus Christi.
Capt Carrales
Posts: 1983

A good real estate broker would...
2/6/2006 8:40:35 PM

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...jump at the chance to buy the land in Kleberg and Kenedy County at a minimum and develop it.

It is already isolated and they could develop a club life and the like from scratch...they would already have ""de facto"" private beaches and minimal backlash from the people. In fact, they would welcome the rich and would most likely benefit from the low paying jobs.

Tax rates are repressed there and it would be a boon to everyone.
curtis rock
Posts: 1457

Re: A good real estate broker would...
2/6/2006 8:44:29 PM

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Read my post above, I explain why your towns are not the tourist traps these type of resorts target. It''s not isolation they seek. Corpus Christi welcomes the rich. And Corpus Christi would also benefit from ANY paying jobs. I wish people would stop this rhetoric where a distinction must be made between low and high paying jobs. High and low is relative. I probably think you guys have high paying jobs, but my parents probably don''t think you do.
curmudgeon
Posts: 3788

They will develop this property . . .
2/6/2006 9:33:14 PM

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. . . whether we allow them to close it or not. If you think they bought all this land up just to sit on it you are a fool.
curtis rock
Posts: 1457

Re: They will develop this property . . .
2/6/2006 10:05:28 PM

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I have no doubt that they will develop the property, but the scope of work will undoubtedly change. Plans are plans.
curmudgeon
Posts: 3788

Texas beaches belong to the people . . .
2/6/2006 4:24:45 PM

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. . . of Texas, all the people of Texas not just those living in Corpus Christi. The crooked Corpus Christi council does not have the right to compromise the public access to the beach, not an inch, not a foot, not a mile. The allowed a seawall to be built (actually to remain) in front of one the condos and it came back to bite them in the ass.

It is clear that the overwhelming majority of folks don''t want this beach closed. You are on the wrong side of this issue.
fishon
Posts: 120
Re: Texas beaches belong to the people . . .
2/6/2006 9:12:13 PM

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Im for the development of the city/area & I do fish in the surf often. Just never between BHP & the condos, we always go south of Bob hall pier. alot more room open that end of the beach.


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