It was the early 80''s. Historically the Surfers hung out by Bob Hall Pier. The Fishermen and the Surfers were at odds. The waves created in proximity to the pier were cleaner thus better for surfing. The Surfers would routinely ""shoot the pier"" and take their boards and jump off of the end instead of the long paddle out. Hence the JP Luby Surf Park & Pier was created.
To hang out at the Condos was discouraged by the condo elite. Well on the Sea Wall we could skateboard as the steel wheels became replaced with urethane wheels like Kryptonic, Bones, Gyros and the boards and truck technology as well.
We started to hang out on the Seawall. We were not llowed to park in the parking lots so we had to park in the street and lug our ice chests, boards, towels and stuff around the Holiday Inn cuz they would not let us through to the seawall. The visitors and tourists began to interact with us and we made many friends. Still we had to walk around.
Some of us took our dogs. My dog would pull me on my skateboard up and down the wall. He pulled many others as well. He loved it. The Condos would not even allow me to get water for my dog one day when I ran out.
This became the place for all as Spring Break ''84 and John Trice should remember. Do you remember the Skateboard Ramp and Contest. The Bikini Contest and all the hoopla?
How about it Rick Trevino, Steve Cooke, Duane Hansen, Matthew Hearndon and all you other forgetful ""big timers"". John Trice is now the president of Frost Bank on the Island. Waz up Johnny? Speak up mr make all that money off of an open access beach?
to be continued
Thursday, October 26, 2006
WATT THE FUG with our seawall Johnny Trice???????
ladrtrk55
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10/25/2006 4:50:59 PM
Props to Eric for the Kelly Vs. Gibson beach access debate today. Thank you for the questions-only format from the callers, it moved quickly.
Damon Gibson doesn't surf. If he did, he wouldn't have made the false statement.
Question:
It has been stated by the vehicle-ban proponents that the better surfing is to be had on the Northside of the channel. So why contest the ban?
False.
Answer:
Our predominant wind is from the southeast, therefore the most consistant surf will be had on the northside. The most desirable position on windy days is on the leeward side of the jetty.
But, during the Fall and winter, as the fronts begin their cycles, the desirable surfing area shifts to the Southside. And believe me, when the blue-northers blow, access to the shelter of your car/truck in a dripping wetsuit is a must.
Also, during the tropical season, almost all of the epic storm-driven swell come from the Northeast direction. Best place to surf? Southside of any structure pier or jetty.
As the seasons change, so do the surfing breaks.
My 2cents.....
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Re: ""Damon don''t surf"" or a quick Corpus surfing lesson
10/25/2006 5:30:00 PM
If that were the cases then why don’t you see anyone surfing on the ""North"" jetty across from Port Aransas?
VERY FEW stand to benefit from the beach closure. Those few who stand to benefit are not above saying anything to get the measure passed in their favor.
How much will it cost to keep the channel open with re-dredging every 4-5 years? Has anyone in on the City government bothered to address this? Have they bothered to inform the island residents that they plan to raise the money with inflated property values on island own properties?
Let''s not forget that this supposed resort isn''t even a done deal....closing the beach is merely a mechanism to ""ATTRACT"" a development!!
When going fishing it always pays to use the right bait. Let''s hope the council and all their big money supporters and benefactors of sleazy back room deals remember this.
Hardcore Harry
jl5
Posts: 41
Re: ""Damon don''t surf"" or a quick Corpus surfing lesson
10/26/2006 12:45:44 AM
I believe I went to high school with Damon Gibson. From what I remember he was not the kind that would go to the beach let alone ever surf. If this is the same person I remember he has no interest in the people of Corpus. He is only trying to line his pocket. It''s like I am in the twilight zone. I am listening to the VonWade show and here is my talk show hero agreeing with a loser I went to high school with. Who is running this asylum? Beam me up Scotty.
As far as the North Port A jetties and surfing. That''s just a real good way of getting hurt. The only way across is the jetty boat or paddling. A couple of guys have lost their life doing the latter. Wait until the tourist from the resort start trying to swim across packery and get gutted by an out board. There''s another 50,000 for warning signs and 100,000 a year for lifeguards on the jetties.
Looks like we will have to pass a bond election to make the jetties safe for the children, elderly and yankies.
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Who Cares if He Surfs
10/26/2006 12:05:59 AM
Just as the Beach Access Coalition always points out, it''s Texas''s beach - not just the surfers'' beach, and not just the resort developers'' beach.
I don''t care if Damon Gibson surfs or not. To me, that''s irrelevant.
I''m glad Eric is siding with the pro-development, pro-business, and pro-growth side of the coin. I''m excited to see what comes of this election, and more importantly I''m going to be glad when it''s all said and done. I just hope the voters decide to support a planned resort development, instead of a hodge podge of little developments like we have.
Major Carrales
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Beach Heil!!!
10/26/2006 12:35:11 AM
I just hope the voters decide to support a planned resort development, instead of a hodge podge of little developments like we have.
(sarcasm) Your faith in small business is reassuring.
Smaller developments would provide the same benefits...maybe more...since they are not likely to get any tax breaks. Plus, a bloke could still drive on the beaches.
Just as the Beach Access Coalition always points out, it''s Texas''s beach - not just the surfers'' beach, and not just the resort developers'' beach.
A far cry more accurate than this impression that ""kids are being run over by the dozen"" imagry the other side gives.
The dishonesty and half-truthey in this election cycle will be legendary.
curtis rock
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Earth to Captain
10/26/2006 12:51:16 AM
The planned resort development is going to include small businesses. About 85% of the shops and restaurants are to be local, not chains/franchises.
Imagine La Playa on the Island! I hope it happens.
Major Carrales
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Curtis...
10/26/2006 1:09:52 AM
I had already issued the advice to us all that we should stand on the merits of our positions. The issue resolveth itself within weeks.
I have faith in my position, and if proven wrong, the world will go on. I don''t think further discusson before the election will do anything else than break long nurtured friendships here.
I thus will say no more on the matter.
ladrtrk55
Posts: 71
Re: ""Damon don''t surf"" or a quick Corpus surfing lesson
10/26/2006 1:23:03 AM
Curtis, you obviously didn''t hear the debate. Damon made statements about the surfing at Packery without knowing whatthefug he was talking about.
Then, he went personal and lumped those who want to protect the generational privilege of reasonable access to the structures along the coast with those who were against Whataburger Field, the T-Head renovation by Landry''s, etc. Complete deception. You guys cannot enter into an honest debate without lying. Pitiful.
I especially liked the part where he said he, AND the rest of the Corpus citizens RARELY go to the beach ""SO WE''RE NOT REALLY LOSING ANYTHING"".
Lord help us.....
I predict this issue, this stake thru the heart of the community driven by the City Council, will be settled by the voters. Let the chips fall where they may.
""Lucy, Mark Scott''s got alotta ''splain''n ta do...IntraWest eezint too pleazed about him and ""EET''s About Time, CC"" getting their azz handed to them""....
Good luck with all the side-stepping and deception, I stood in line with a bunch of pizzed-off voters today. It''s a good thing lynching was outlawed, the beach-privateers would be beating feet by now.
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"Damon don't surf" or a quick Corpus surfing lesson Your are currently viewing this message
10/25/2006 4:50:59 PM
Props to Eric for the Kelly Vs. Gibson beach access debate today. Thank you for the questions-only format from the callers, it moved quickly.
Damon Gibson doesn't surf. If he did, he wouldn't have made the false statement.
Question:
It has been stated by the vehicle-ban proponents that the better surfing is to be had on the Northside of the channel. So why contest the ban?
False.
Answer:
Our predominant wind is from the southeast, therefore the most consistant surf will be had on the northside. The most desirable position on windy days is on the leeward side of the jetty.
But, during the Fall and winter, as the fronts begin their cycles, the desirable surfing area shifts to the Southside. And believe me, when the blue-northers blow, access to the shelter of your car/truck in a dripping wetsuit is a must.
Also, during the tropical season, almost all of the epic storm-driven swell come from the Northeast direction. Best place to surf? Southside of any structure pier or jetty.
As the seasons change, so do the surfing breaks.
My 2cents.....
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HardcoreHarry
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Re: ""Damon don''t surf"" or a quick Corpus surfing lesson
10/25/2006 5:30:00 PM
If that were the cases then why don’t you see anyone surfing on the ""North"" jetty across from Port Aransas?
VERY FEW stand to benefit from the beach closure. Those few who stand to benefit are not above saying anything to get the measure passed in their favor.
How much will it cost to keep the channel open with re-dredging every 4-5 years? Has anyone in on the City government bothered to address this? Have they bothered to inform the island residents that they plan to raise the money with inflated property values on island own properties?
Let''s not forget that this supposed resort isn''t even a done deal....closing the beach is merely a mechanism to ""ATTRACT"" a development!!
When going fishing it always pays to use the right bait. Let''s hope the council and all their big money supporters and benefactors of sleazy back room deals remember this.
Hardcore Harry
jl5
Posts: 41
Re: ""Damon don''t surf"" or a quick Corpus surfing lesson
10/26/2006 12:45:44 AM
I believe I went to high school with Damon Gibson. From what I remember he was not the kind that would go to the beach let alone ever surf. If this is the same person I remember he has no interest in the people of Corpus. He is only trying to line his pocket. It''s like I am in the twilight zone. I am listening to the VonWade show and here is my talk show hero agreeing with a loser I went to high school with. Who is running this asylum? Beam me up Scotty.
As far as the North Port A jetties and surfing. That''s just a real good way of getting hurt. The only way across is the jetty boat or paddling. A couple of guys have lost their life doing the latter. Wait until the tourist from the resort start trying to swim across packery and get gutted by an out board. There''s another 50,000 for warning signs and 100,000 a year for lifeguards on the jetties.
Looks like we will have to pass a bond election to make the jetties safe for the children, elderly and yankies.
curtis rock
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Who Cares if He Surfs
10/26/2006 12:05:59 AM
Just as the Beach Access Coalition always points out, it''s Texas''s beach - not just the surfers'' beach, and not just the resort developers'' beach.
I don''t care if Damon Gibson surfs or not. To me, that''s irrelevant.
I''m glad Eric is siding with the pro-development, pro-business, and pro-growth side of the coin. I''m excited to see what comes of this election, and more importantly I''m going to be glad when it''s all said and done. I just hope the voters decide to support a planned resort development, instead of a hodge podge of little developments like we have.
Major Carrales
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Beach Heil!!!
10/26/2006 12:35:11 AM
I just hope the voters decide to support a planned resort development, instead of a hodge podge of little developments like we have.
(sarcasm) Your faith in small business is reassuring.
Smaller developments would provide the same benefits...maybe more...since they are not likely to get any tax breaks. Plus, a bloke could still drive on the beaches.
Just as the Beach Access Coalition always points out, it''s Texas''s beach - not just the surfers'' beach, and not just the resort developers'' beach.
A far cry more accurate than this impression that ""kids are being run over by the dozen"" imagry the other side gives.
The dishonesty and half-truthey in this election cycle will be legendary.
curtis rock
Posts: 1164
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Earth to Captain
10/26/2006 12:51:16 AM
The planned resort development is going to include small businesses. About 85% of the shops and restaurants are to be local, not chains/franchises.
Imagine La Playa on the Island! I hope it happens.
Major Carrales
Posts: 707
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Curtis...
10/26/2006 1:09:52 AM
I had already issued the advice to us all that we should stand on the merits of our positions. The issue resolveth itself within weeks.
I have faith in my position, and if proven wrong, the world will go on. I don''t think further discusson before the election will do anything else than break long nurtured friendships here.
I thus will say no more on the matter.
ladrtrk55
Posts: 71
Re: ""Damon don''t surf"" or a quick Corpus surfing lesson
10/26/2006 1:23:03 AM
Curtis, you obviously didn''t hear the debate. Damon made statements about the surfing at Packery without knowing whatthefug he was talking about.
Then, he went personal and lumped those who want to protect the generational privilege of reasonable access to the structures along the coast with those who were against Whataburger Field, the T-Head renovation by Landry''s, etc. Complete deception. You guys cannot enter into an honest debate without lying. Pitiful.
I especially liked the part where he said he, AND the rest of the Corpus citizens RARELY go to the beach ""SO WE''RE NOT REALLY LOSING ANYTHING"".
Lord help us.....
I predict this issue, this stake thru the heart of the community driven by the City Council, will be settled by the voters. Let the chips fall where they may.
""Lucy, Mark Scott''s got alotta ''splain''n ta do...IntraWest eezint too pleazed about him and ""EET''s About Time, CC"" getting their azz handed to them""....
Good luck with all the side-stepping and deception, I stood in line with a bunch of pizzed-off voters today. It''s a good thing lynching was outlawed, the beach-privateers would be beating feet by now.
Saturday, September 16, 2006
WATT a BRIGHT Opinion of Ann Coulter
Message of hate
Ann Coulter claims that the widows of 9/11 are "enjoying their husbands' deaths," that "it would be a much better country if women didn't vote," that the American government should "be engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport."
She has stated that "my only regret with Timothy McVeigh (the Oklahoma City bomber) is that he did not go to the New York Times building" and joked that "we need somebody to put rat poison in (Supreme Court) Justice Stevens' creme brulee."
It is not just those of us who lost loved ones in the 9/11 tragedy and the Oklahoma City bombing who find her remarks abominable. All thinking people see Ann Coulter for what she is: a hate-mongering charlatan.
All thinking people except, it seems, the so-called "Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse." They paid Ms. Coulter handsomely to come to our fair city to spread her message of racism, sexism, hatred and ignorance.
That says a lot about CALA and its mission.
David Bright
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Coulter's bile
Shameful: Ann Coulter speaks at the Solomon Ortiz Center and is honored as a hero by those who recycle her bile. In contrast, Cheryl McGuinness, whose husband was co-pilot of American Airlines Flight 11, the first jetliner to hit the World Trade Center on 9/11, speaks at a local junior high school.
Ann Coulter makes millions deriding those who lost loved ones on 9/11 and claims they are the ones "cashing in," yet is Cheryl McGuinness' book, "Beauty Beyond the Ashes," prominently displayed at Barnes & Nobles across the country?
Opportunities present themselves and Ann Coulter has taken hers, profiting from the deaths of victims of 9/11, taking a stance against those who have truly lost.
We are a reflection of those we relate to, sympathize with, and make our heroes. I am certain that most of the typical talk radio pundits will bask in the dim light Ann Coulter radiates, recounting her words for days to come as bits of wisdom as they lock-step with her. That is a reflection of what they believe is honorable.
Ann Coulter throws stones, and her mob casts along with her, or should I say broadcasts, sad really, the heroes they choose.
Jerry Colmenero
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Intolerant
Have you ever noticed that the people who are supposed to stand for free speech and no restriction of individual rights seem to forget their beliefs when it comes to letting conservatives speak? Most of the liberals I know, including my brother-in-law, get extremely angry when you contradict any of their beliefs with facts. Whenever conservatives speak the truth about an issue they are instantly labeled as "mean-spirited" and not compassionate.
I am referring to the recent article in the Sept. 7 Caller-Times about Ann Coulter's recent visit to Corpus Christi to speak at a luncheon hosted by Bay Area Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse. Apparently local attorneys John Gsanger, David Bright, and Bill Edwards were on hand to protest her appearance at the Solomon P. Ortiz Center.
I have to laugh when I see the words "trial lawyer" and "compassionate" used in the same sentence. Trial attorneys can do some good things out there, but unfortunately some are simply making a living off the backs of consumers and corporations.
I may not believe in everything Ann Coulter believes in, but I will defend her right to say them. I love the quote in the article by local businessman George Manassian, who stated, "I love this country for the reason that people can say what they think."
Many brave soldiers throughout history died to defend our right to free speech. God bless America!
ALAN K. REIFF
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Rude speech
I thought the Bay Area Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse (BACALA for short) were a smarter bunch. There are so many more knowledgeable speakers than Ann Coulter who can truly address issues of tort reform.
What does she know about enacting legislation to bring parity back to the court system? Given her speech on Sept. 6 at the Ortiz Center, apparently nothing.
All BACALA did was put on a three-ring right-wing political circus led by Corpus Christ's own head conservative clown and ringleader, Jim Lago.
Her speech was insulting. It did nothing to enlighten anybody about the issues BACALA supposedly supports. No new agendas were suggested, no new debates engaged.
I hope the true "conservatives" around here wake up and smell the old burnt coffee these right-wingers are trying to serve. Being "conservative" means you're willing to work for the core issues fundamental to every American family: good-paying jobs, dependable retirement plans, affordable health care, lower taxes, and lower personal and corporate welfare.
Herbie Garcia
Ann Coulter claims that the widows of 9/11 are "enjoying their husbands' deaths," that "it would be a much better country if women didn't vote," that the American government should "be engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport."
She has stated that "my only regret with Timothy McVeigh (the Oklahoma City bomber) is that he did not go to the New York Times building" and joked that "we need somebody to put rat poison in (Supreme Court) Justice Stevens' creme brulee."
It is not just those of us who lost loved ones in the 9/11 tragedy and the Oklahoma City bombing who find her remarks abominable. All thinking people see Ann Coulter for what she is: a hate-mongering charlatan.
All thinking people except, it seems, the so-called "Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse." They paid Ms. Coulter handsomely to come to our fair city to spread her message of racism, sexism, hatred and ignorance.
That says a lot about CALA and its mission.
David Bright
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Coulter's bile
Shameful: Ann Coulter speaks at the Solomon Ortiz Center and is honored as a hero by those who recycle her bile. In contrast, Cheryl McGuinness, whose husband was co-pilot of American Airlines Flight 11, the first jetliner to hit the World Trade Center on 9/11, speaks at a local junior high school.
Ann Coulter makes millions deriding those who lost loved ones on 9/11 and claims they are the ones "cashing in," yet is Cheryl McGuinness' book, "Beauty Beyond the Ashes," prominently displayed at Barnes & Nobles across the country?
Opportunities present themselves and Ann Coulter has taken hers, profiting from the deaths of victims of 9/11, taking a stance against those who have truly lost.
We are a reflection of those we relate to, sympathize with, and make our heroes. I am certain that most of the typical talk radio pundits will bask in the dim light Ann Coulter radiates, recounting her words for days to come as bits of wisdom as they lock-step with her. That is a reflection of what they believe is honorable.
Ann Coulter throws stones, and her mob casts along with her, or should I say broadcasts, sad really, the heroes they choose.
Jerry Colmenero
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Intolerant
Have you ever noticed that the people who are supposed to stand for free speech and no restriction of individual rights seem to forget their beliefs when it comes to letting conservatives speak? Most of the liberals I know, including my brother-in-law, get extremely angry when you contradict any of their beliefs with facts. Whenever conservatives speak the truth about an issue they are instantly labeled as "mean-spirited" and not compassionate.
I am referring to the recent article in the Sept. 7 Caller-Times about Ann Coulter's recent visit to Corpus Christi to speak at a luncheon hosted by Bay Area Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse. Apparently local attorneys John Gsanger, David Bright, and Bill Edwards were on hand to protest her appearance at the Solomon P. Ortiz Center.
I have to laugh when I see the words "trial lawyer" and "compassionate" used in the same sentence. Trial attorneys can do some good things out there, but unfortunately some are simply making a living off the backs of consumers and corporations.
I may not believe in everything Ann Coulter believes in, but I will defend her right to say them. I love the quote in the article by local businessman George Manassian, who stated, "I love this country for the reason that people can say what they think."
Many brave soldiers throughout history died to defend our right to free speech. God bless America!
ALAN K. REIFF
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Rude speech
I thought the Bay Area Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse (BACALA for short) were a smarter bunch. There are so many more knowledgeable speakers than Ann Coulter who can truly address issues of tort reform.
What does she know about enacting legislation to bring parity back to the court system? Given her speech on Sept. 6 at the Ortiz Center, apparently nothing.
All BACALA did was put on a three-ring right-wing political circus led by Corpus Christ's own head conservative clown and ringleader, Jim Lago.
Her speech was insulting. It did nothing to enlighten anybody about the issues BACALA supposedly supports. No new agendas were suggested, no new debates engaged.
I hope the true "conservatives" around here wake up and smell the old burnt coffee these right-wingers are trying to serve. Being "conservative" means you're willing to work for the core issues fundamental to every American family: good-paying jobs, dependable retirement plans, affordable health care, lower taxes, and lower personal and corporate welfare.
Herbie Garcia
Saturday, August 05, 2006
OMNI: DECEMBER 2001- PORT ROYAL CONDOMINIUMS ~A PRIVATE MEETING WAS HELD BY THE CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE VOTERS
OMNI: DECEMBER 2001- PORT ROYAL CONDOMINIUMS ~A PRIVATE MEETING WAS HELD BY THE CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE VOTERS
A good article by Abel Cavada
A good article by Abel Cavada
Skip Noe and City Secretary Armando Chapa are leading the city staff and duping the City Council into a number of projects that are in direct contravention to the wishes of the citizens. The various projects that are imposed on the people include the TRT theft of our bay front, the theft of our open beaches, and the theft of democracy in general.
Wednesday, August 02, 2006
Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson:“It is my duty to enforce the Texas Open Beaches Act
Lawsuit seeks to block removal of houses
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The lawsuit was filed on behalf of California attorney Carol M. Severance, who spent nearly $1.2 million for three beachfront rental properties last year.
The lawsuit filed by J. David Breemer, an attorney with the Pacific Legal Foundation, comes in response to a plan by the Texas General Land Office to offer homeowners up to $40,000 each to move their houses from the public beach. The foundation specializes in private property rights.
On Monday, Jim Suydam of that office’s communications staff said he could not respond to claims in the lawsuit.
“What I’d like to say and what I can say are two different things,” he said. “The lawyers have put the clamps on.”
Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson had announced in June his plan for enforcement of the Open Beaches Act. Last month, he followed up by sending letters to invite affected homeowners to apply for reimbursement of up to $40,000 of the cost of moving their houses further inland.
“It is my duty to enforce the Texas Open Beaches Act, but it is my hope to be able to work with these property owners and avoid costly litigation,” he said at the time.
According to the land office, two of Severance’s houses — at 13107 Bermuda Beach Drive in the Bermuda Beach subdivision and at 22716 Kenedy Drive in Sea Isle — are entirely on the public beach. The land office says the third — a house at 21238 Gulf Drive in Sea Isle — is 50 percent on the beach.
Severance bought all three houses in March and April of 2005, nearly a year after Patterson’s office placed them on a list of houses deemed to be in legal limbo.
In her lawsuit, Severance acknowledges that she signed a disclosure when she bought the properties saying that the houses might be subject to legal action should they be found to be on the public beach.
“Nothing in the purchase contract for plaintiff’s properties states that compensation will not be provided if it is determined that a public beach easement exists on the properties, nor does any provision say that an action to remove a home seaward of the vegetation line will occur without just compensation,” the lawsuit states.
The lawsuit also notes that Severance paid more than $20,000 in property taxes on the three properties. It contends that all three are well maintained and notes that not one is standing in the water.
“Plaintiff’s homes do not otherwise interfere with public beach access,” the suit says. “Plaintiff’s homes are not a threat to public health or safety. The act cannot be enforced to require the removal of plaintiff’s homes as such action is not rationally related to a legitimate state interest.”
The lawsuit, filed last week in U.S. District Court, seeks to block state and local officials from seeking to remove Severance’s houses from the beach. If that fails, the lawsuit seeks just compensation for the houses.
The three homes at issue in the lawsuit represent only part of Severance’s Galveston real estate holdings. She owns two other houses and some land in Galveston, and she’s in the process of closing on the purchase of a house north of Houston.
Severance said her investments in Galveston real estate came after some study.
“I went to visit areas I thought were developing and had good, solid growth potential,” she said.
She visited the Virgin Islands, Mexico and Galveston, and she settled on Galveston.
“I love Galveston,” she said. “I don’t plan to move there, but I like to visit a lot. I was in Galveston four or five times last year.”
She said she planned a visit this month.
In a news release last month, the land office said the reimbursement program represented the first time the state had worked to cooperate with homeowners to resolve the long-standing problem of private homes on the public beach.
“I’d rather assist a property owner than sue one,” Patterson said at the time. “But either way, I’m committed to resolving this problem. Texas beaches must be open for all.”
The news release said those who did not apply by the Oct. 2 deadline might not be eligible for future reimbursement.
“I know $40,000 may not cover all the cost of moving a house, but this is just the first step,” Patterson said. “I will continue seeking additional funding to help these property owners get off the beach, and I pledge to find more ways to work with those who are willing to do what is required.”
Patterson said he hoped the land office would be able to approve every application filed, but he said if the total cost of applications exceeded the money available, he would have to prioritize the requests.
In that case, he said, priority will go to structures that pose a threat to public health and safety or those that block public access to the beach.
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On the Web: Pacific Legal Foundation: www.pacificlegal.org
Texas General Land Office: www.glo.state.tx.us
Saturday, July 08, 2006
It figures an Advocate of Packery Channel would mis-spell the Name
Packary?? Channel starting to pay dividends
South Texas fishing options just got betterBy Jim DarnellSpecial to the Record
Millions of dollars and thousands of man hours spent on opening the Packary Channel into the Gulf is now paying dividends. And not only in higher property values on that part of Padre Island. Fishing in the upper Laguna Madre and Corpus Bay is receiving a big boost.Last week, instead of fishing the gas wells in Corpus Christi Bay as I normally would do this time of year, my brother Wayne and I trailored my Kenner across the Port Aransas Ferry and down the beach highway to Padre Island. We launched under the Kennedy Causeway Bridge and made the short run down the Packary Channel, through the new jetties and into the Gulf of Mexico. Packary Channel is one of the many natural passes from the Laguna Madre to the Gulf. It has been sanded in and closed for years. Occasionally, Packary, Fish Pass, Yarbrough Pass and other small passes are opened by hurricanes. But they usually silt in quickly and close. But Packary has now been reopened, dredged and permanent jetties built. This makes it the only fish pass into the Gulf between Aransas Pass and the Mansfield Channel.My nephew, Jonathan Darnell, lives on the water near Packary and says that the reopening has already helped the fishing in his area.“I fish the lights around docks and piers at night and greater numbers of fish, especially big ones, are showing up,” he said.As we emerged from the jetties into the Gulf, Spanish mackerel were already busting into big schools of small minnows in the clear green water. Fishermen on the end of the south jetty were hooking them right and left. Expecting to catch speckled trout, we were not really equipped for mackerel. They have razor-sharp teeth and steel leaders are essential. We had none. But we tied on quarter-ounce lead-head jigs, threaded on soft plastic cocohoe minnows and started casting towards the big balls of minnows.Action was immediate. Most of the strikes were distinct and the line went limp. They cut through our 20 pound test monofilament leaders like a butcher knife in warm butter. But some got hooked in the lips or outside on the head. They stayed hooked. Those that inhaled the hook cut off.Spanish mackerel are built like long silver bullets, have a big forked tail and are covered with yellow spots. They are fast, vicious fighters. Most of the fish weighed two to four pounds.Small, clear plastic minnows best imitated the real deal that they were feeding on. But other colors also produced strikes. During those first two hours I also landed a small king mackerel about 28 inches long.While we fished two big work cranes were placing the final granite cap stones on the north jetty. The noise didn’t bother the fish.We had to be careful to not get too close to the end of the south jetty. Dozens of fishermen would begin to shout and call you some choice names if you drifted into “their” water.Later in the morning I set the hook into a fish that was definitely in the big leagues. Line smoked off my spool as the drag groaned. “Crank the engine,” I shouted. “He’s going to spool me.” Wayne turned the boat and moved toward the fish as I gained line. About that time the cell phone rang. Wayne answered and said, “He can’t talk right now. He’s on a big fish and it’s about to get all his line.”Slowly I gained line and then would lose it as the fish made another powerful run. With a lite spinning rod and 12 pound test line you just have to hang on and take your time. Slowly but surely I was winning the fight. Finally, Jonathan netted the fish. It was a big bonito that probably weighed 10 pounds. Bonito are powerful fighters that you normally catch miles out into the Gulf. I caught this one 200 yards off the beach.Wayne and Jonathan were losing more lures due to cut lines than I was. We concluded that it was because they were fishing slower. This gave the fish better opportunity to inhale their lures. My faster retrieve resulted in more fish being hooked outside their mouth, thus avoiding those sharp teeth.I like the new pass better than the Port Aransas jetties. They’re safer. With so many big deep-sea fishing boats, huge tankers and U.S. Navy ships plowing through the Aransas Pass you can get sunk or washed onto the jetties. Only small fishing boats and kayaks were fishing at the end of the new Packary jetties.With the dog days of summer ahead the water at the jetty ends should stay flat and green. Fishing will be great. That’s unless a thunderstorm arises. I’ll have more on that next week.Jim Darnell is an ordained minister and host/producer of the syndicated outdoors show, God’s Great Outdoors. His outdoors column appears every Thursday in the Daily Record.
South Texas fishing options just got betterBy Jim DarnellSpecial to the Record
Millions of dollars and thousands of man hours spent on opening the Packary Channel into the Gulf is now paying dividends. And not only in higher property values on that part of Padre Island. Fishing in the upper Laguna Madre and Corpus Bay is receiving a big boost.Last week, instead of fishing the gas wells in Corpus Christi Bay as I normally would do this time of year, my brother Wayne and I trailored my Kenner across the Port Aransas Ferry and down the beach highway to Padre Island. We launched under the Kennedy Causeway Bridge and made the short run down the Packary Channel, through the new jetties and into the Gulf of Mexico. Packary Channel is one of the many natural passes from the Laguna Madre to the Gulf. It has been sanded in and closed for years. Occasionally, Packary, Fish Pass, Yarbrough Pass and other small passes are opened by hurricanes. But they usually silt in quickly and close. But Packary has now been reopened, dredged and permanent jetties built. This makes it the only fish pass into the Gulf between Aransas Pass and the Mansfield Channel.My nephew, Jonathan Darnell, lives on the water near Packary and says that the reopening has already helped the fishing in his area.“I fish the lights around docks and piers at night and greater numbers of fish, especially big ones, are showing up,” he said.As we emerged from the jetties into the Gulf, Spanish mackerel were already busting into big schools of small minnows in the clear green water. Fishermen on the end of the south jetty were hooking them right and left. Expecting to catch speckled trout, we were not really equipped for mackerel. They have razor-sharp teeth and steel leaders are essential. We had none. But we tied on quarter-ounce lead-head jigs, threaded on soft plastic cocohoe minnows and started casting towards the big balls of minnows.Action was immediate. Most of the strikes were distinct and the line went limp. They cut through our 20 pound test monofilament leaders like a butcher knife in warm butter. But some got hooked in the lips or outside on the head. They stayed hooked. Those that inhaled the hook cut off.Spanish mackerel are built like long silver bullets, have a big forked tail and are covered with yellow spots. They are fast, vicious fighters. Most of the fish weighed two to four pounds.Small, clear plastic minnows best imitated the real deal that they were feeding on. But other colors also produced strikes. During those first two hours I also landed a small king mackerel about 28 inches long.While we fished two big work cranes were placing the final granite cap stones on the north jetty. The noise didn’t bother the fish.We had to be careful to not get too close to the end of the south jetty. Dozens of fishermen would begin to shout and call you some choice names if you drifted into “their” water.Later in the morning I set the hook into a fish that was definitely in the big leagues. Line smoked off my spool as the drag groaned. “Crank the engine,” I shouted. “He’s going to spool me.” Wayne turned the boat and moved toward the fish as I gained line. About that time the cell phone rang. Wayne answered and said, “He can’t talk right now. He’s on a big fish and it’s about to get all his line.”Slowly I gained line and then would lose it as the fish made another powerful run. With a lite spinning rod and 12 pound test line you just have to hang on and take your time. Slowly but surely I was winning the fight. Finally, Jonathan netted the fish. It was a big bonito that probably weighed 10 pounds. Bonito are powerful fighters that you normally catch miles out into the Gulf. I caught this one 200 yards off the beach.Wayne and Jonathan were losing more lures due to cut lines than I was. We concluded that it was because they were fishing slower. This gave the fish better opportunity to inhale their lures. My faster retrieve resulted in more fish being hooked outside their mouth, thus avoiding those sharp teeth.I like the new pass better than the Port Aransas jetties. They’re safer. With so many big deep-sea fishing boats, huge tankers and U.S. Navy ships plowing through the Aransas Pass you can get sunk or washed onto the jetties. Only small fishing boats and kayaks were fishing at the end of the new Packary jetties.With the dog days of summer ahead the water at the jetty ends should stay flat and green. Fishing will be great. That’s unless a thunderstorm arises. I’ll have more on that next week.Jim Darnell is an ordained minister and host/producer of the syndicated outdoors show, God’s Great Outdoors. His outdoors column appears every Thursday in the Daily Record.
Thursday, June 15, 2006
Cant take that cold shower but you sure like to dish it out. Are we in the way or WATT?
Cato
Posts: 179
Chucky Cazalas likes to wine and dine ole Eric
6/9/2006 1:57:23 AM
Maybe we ought to join them Curdumdeon. hehehehe. Eric will probably be given his own room free
Cato
Posts: 179
EVW
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Re: Chucky Cazalas likes to wine and dine ole Eric
6/14/2006 12:53:50 PM
Shut your mouth and learn to use a spell check Cato or I''ll remove you and you''ll be relegated to playing with the group of retards from which you came. I will not address this issue with you again.
Eric von Wade
CommonSense
Posts: 576
SNAP!!
6/14/2006 9:20:06 PM
That was the smackdown that was heard around the forum.
=chuckle=
Posts: 179
Chucky Cazalas likes to wine and dine ole Eric
6/9/2006 1:57:23 AM
Maybe we ought to join them Curdumdeon. hehehehe. Eric will probably be given his own room free
Cato
Posts: 179
EVW
Posts: 179
Click here to email EVW
Re: Chucky Cazalas likes to wine and dine ole Eric
6/14/2006 12:53:50 PM
Shut your mouth and learn to use a spell check Cato or I''ll remove you and you''ll be relegated to playing with the group of retards from which you came. I will not address this issue with you again.
Eric von Wade
CommonSense
Posts: 576
SNAP!!
6/14/2006 9:20:06 PM
That was the smackdown that was heard around the forum.
=chuckle=
Thursday, June 08, 2006
Just because it''s Von Wade''s show doesn''t mean a sole agenda is being pushed. He may push a viewpoint, but he''s not the only one.
lonestar
Posts: 4 Eric's beach agenda
6/7/2006 5:41:22 PM I just listened to eric talk for 30 minutes about how great cutting off vehicle access to the jetties is. He is totally using his radio show as a tool to promote his side only. The GLO has received overwelming public response opposing this closure because the majority does not want it. The law is on the side of the opposition. Collapse all posts in this thread Author Replys lonestar
Posts: 4 Re: Eric''s beach agenda
6/7/2006 5:54:08 PM I love my corpus christi because of the open access we have to all of our beaches and bays. Eric keeps saying the trolly will take us to the jetty. Will they let me throw my stringer of slimy and bloody trout, redfish, or shark in the seat next to the boy, girl, and grandma too. curtis rock
Posts: 754 Pick up the phone....
6/8/2006 12:26:15 PM Hey Lonestar
Just because it''s Von Wade''s show doesn''t mean a sole agenda is being pushed. He may push a viewpoint, but he''s not the only one.
Last time I checked, he takes phone calls from people. If you want another side of the story presented, pick up the phone and call him up.
Eric is very good about taking calls from people in opposition. CommonSense
Posts: 568 Agree with him or not..
6/7/2006 9:20:23 PM It is the Eric VonWade show. I believe that means he sets the topic of discussion. Kind of neat when you basically ""own"" the show don''t you think? lonestar
Posts: 4 Re: Agree with him or not..
6/8/2006 12:29:29 AM Yes, perfect for pushing an agenda. I just can''t believe he doesn''t see the fisherman/surfer/citizen side to this. If this was an area where hog, goose, or duck hunting was prime, and 4wheeler/truck access was being taken away, he would have a completely different take. The sharpshooter crowd would be all over this. Imagine carrying all those decoys, dogs, guns, knives, ammo, and whatever else you need to the end of the jetty after already walking 1800 feet...impossible. Every poll that has been done on this issue has shown an overwhelming opposition to the vehicle restriction. Eric has joined the city council in their agenda to do this even though the majority of citizens are against it. That goes against everything Eric has appeared to stand for all these years. I don''t mind him expressing his opinion about the issue, we all should, but he crossed the line when he begged his listeners for an hour to contact the GLO and try to show support that doesn''t exist. CommonSense
Posts: 568 Welcome to the forum lonestar...
6/8/2006 7:58:11 AM but he crossed the line when he begged his listeners for an hour to contact the GLO and try to show support that doesn''t exist.
Understand that he didn''t cross any line. It is his show. He did what any other talk radio host would have done. Cato
Posts: 171 Homer & Eric should debate the issue - want ratings
6/8/2006 12:19:48 AM here is the show to end all shows. The looser will resigh from KEYS? Rudy
Posts: 120 Re: Homer & Eric should debate the issue - want ratings
6/8/2006 12:21:13 PM That would not even be a fair fight because Eric''s the only one with a brain. Homer is not even with KEYS, just a guest last I heard.
Anyway to the Beach proposal Mr. Von Wade has brought to the audience attention that he supports this proposal and than has backed that up with reasons why he feels the way he feels. You can''t knock him for doing that, but what you can do is outline your reasoning on why you disagree with the beach proposal.
This is a good discussion becuase it affects our community and should be debated until we are all blue in the face.
I mean what''s best for Corpus Christi? Bringing in this new resort, and the money coming with that or keep our beaches development free?
I still lean to keeping our beaches free because to me there is a big slippery slope aspect of letting one developer in to our beach than you must in essence court all other developers as well. Even though some say this won''t happen how can you tell? I think it is the people''s experience not to trust our City Council.
There are great aspects to this proposal and how much we all would be benefiting from it, so would that be a significant trade off?
Well you just can never really tell, I guess, but I do not think this is the all and be all opportunities the City will have in order to promote growth so I am not too worried about it. Major Carrales
Posts: 421 My position on the beach is well known...
6/8/2006 12:29:50 PM ...and so is Eric''s.
I see no wrong in what he is doing. He believes in the issue, let him have his say...it is his show after all.
If one disagrees...then there is the GLO to contact...either way.
I''m just pleased that there is actually civic participation through the exercise of the lesser known FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT of ""petition for the REDRESS of GRIEVANCES."" odie
Posts: 1 Re: Eric''s beach agenda
6/8/2006 1:29:54 PM I was so moved by Eric''s rant yesterday that I decided to visit his web site. I saw he had a poll so I decided to register and vote in it.
Eric, you have indeed motivated me to write the GLO.
I cannot believe how much mis-information and such is being spread about the so called pedestrian beaches.
Contrary to what you and the developer would want us all to believe, the resort project does not hang in the balance nor will it go away if vehicles are allowed to remain on the public''s beach. There is simpily no more undeveloped beach front in America left. They are not going anywhere.
This resort will all be on private property behind the dunes so vehicles on the beach cannot in anyway be interferring with the development of the resort.
The people here enjoy driving on the beach to find their own special spot and have their BBQ, cooler, tents, whatever with them.
Americans are a people of convinience. If it is not convinient, we will not go to our beach.
I have seen so many ""public"" beaches that resorts sit on. You are not welcome in their parking lots. They put their high prices umbrella rentals all over the sand to mark ""their"" territory.
Any public parking lot will not be plaed in a location that is in the public''s benefit.
Why don''t the resort''s offer free 24 hour parking in their lots and access to the beach if they want my car off my beach in front of their resort?
Pedestrian beaches? Go to Bob Hall Pier. Go to Mustang Island State Park. Go to Port Aransass. There are plenty of pedestrian only zones already.
Offers were made of using the Port A beach model and rejected by the developer.
Iused to live in Ocean Springs, MS long before the casinos in the early 1970''s. The gold coast is booming with money rom all the development. Do you know where they built all those beach front casinos? All on exsisting developed property. Wharfs, marinas, canneries, etc. All along HWY 90 where you could park on the shoulder and step directly onto the sandy beach are still there and still 100% free.
Now don''t think I''m some left wing nut job who is against big business and all. I am very economically conservative. I''ve spent over 15 years inthe military and was in Iraq last year and am ready for another tour. I want this resort to be built. And someone will build it. I''ve already heard the developer say they are proceeding regardless of what happens with the beach access. So just leave the public''s beach alone.
""it''s about time Corpus""? ""I love my CC""? City Council?
Why do they want to stop the petition?
The petition is NOT about driving on the beach. The petition is about letting the people who live here actually vote what they want to have. If it''s no vehicles, then so be it.
Why is the government so afraid of it''s own people?
Fear the government that fears you. Guido
Posts: 180 Re: Eric''s beach agenda
6/8/2006 3:59:53 PM First, welcome lonestar...
Second, EVW has his own show. Ultimately, he alone is responsible for the content of his particular show. Upon taking this responsibility, he has acquired certain authority. That authority allows him to mold the show as he sees fit. If, for example, it was your show, you would be pushing your own beliefs before that of the opposition, and that would be fine...if it were your show.
Eric, like many talk show hosts, takes calls from listeners who agree and disagree. Though I don''t listen to him as often now, as I have in the past due to work related matters, I have not found him to be overly abrupt with those who do not agree with his points. Sure, most of the callers will be in agreement with him, but that is just the way the talk show world is...most listeners agree more often than not with the host to whom the listen.
As for the beach, I particularly could not care less, so I am not even going to get into that issue. I much prefer mountains and snow to heat and salt water; however, my life has plopped me down in SoTex...
Anyway, welcome to the board and give Eric a call. I am sure he will be happy to let you air your point of view. Hopefully, for all concerned, a happy medium will be found that protects the beaches but allows adequate access. Now...if we could only get Mt. Pilatus moved to Kingsville... secondevet
Posts: 1 Re: Eric''s beach agenda
6/8/2006 4:35:36 PM Free access by the public to Texas beaches is now a swan song. The public ""servants"" who are entrusted with protecting our interests are selling them for a bowl of porridge. Check out what the Cameron County Commissioner''s Court has done! Leased Isla Blanca Park to a Federally convicted kidnapping felon to develop a hotel/casino complex where the public now has a parking lot.
Your City Commissioners are no different. The have lost all sense of propriety and history of our area and are selling it away bit by bit. Their dilemma is.... they think they are doing ""the Right Thing"".
Unless the public element remaining with a sense of homage to our forbearers ( see Open Beaches Act) can come forward and make these crucial issues known.... its all history.
Sorry, Eric, but you didn''t think this one through. Show your civic responsibility and retract it all. Get on the side of the people.
speak to any s claymore
Posts: 129 Re: Eric''s beach agenda
6/8/2006 9:07:52 PM There''s a lot of beach around here. Why can''t we have it both ways?
I have relatives in north central TX who average 3wks. a year at the beach. I have tried for 20 yrs. to entice them into staying in Corpus. They always go to South Padre Island instead. Three reasons. The beaches down there are kept clean. There are no cars with alcohol/drug impaired drivers sharing the beach with their children. The threat of violence is much lower. These people are affluent and spend a lot of money down there in three or four weeks. We could have the best of both worlds right here, 180 miles closer to DFW or Houston. ladrtrk55
Posts: 19 Re: Eric''s beach agenda
6/8/2006 10:45:34 PM
Apples to oranges, SPI isn''t NPI. Everything from the water clarity, the type of sand, the highrises on the beach, and the proximity to Mexico make it a much more desirable destination. Not to mention the currents, the same ones that deposit the tons of seaweed on our beach completely bypasses SPI.
What they did to SPI would be illegal today...just like the seawall.
If the kooks who want this place to be like Ft.Lauderdale, Destin, Santa Cruz, Malibu, etc., SPLIT! go live there!
Leave this place to be the unique free space left on Continental America.
Oh, BTW, Eric is certainly entitled to his opinion, he has the mike. But, I challenge ol'' EVW to walk with me to the jetties someday with my usual array of beach gear....I guarantee he changes his tune.
Are ya listening, EVW? lonestar
Posts: 4 Re: Re: Eric''s beach agenda
6/9/2006 12:32:44 AM Thanks for the welcome guido and cs. I should have called when Eric was pushing the restriction but I am not a debater and I didn''t have an organized argument to go up against Eric. I just know that it is wrong to allow a developer to manipulate the public through the city council. I am not against this development at all. I think they should build as many resorts as they want. Just don''t try to hijack our beaches. I don''t think this resort will go over as well as they think anyway. I have been going to our beaches for 35 years and on average we have the dirtiest water, highest humidity, stickiest sand and the most seaweed of any beach I know of. Memorial day weekend was a prime example. Seaweed and trash 1 foot high on all of our beaches. I was afraid to walk to the water in fear of stepping on some hidden obstacle. My point is that, even though I love them, our beaches are not world class and never will be. The reason South Padre has developed so much is because they do have world class beaches. EVW mentioned how we would benefit through tax cuts/breaks. Ask the residents of south padre if they have had any tax relief...the ones I know are having to move off the island because they cannot afford to pay their taxes. As for our beach, a parking lot next to the jetty with a bollard protected beach would solve this whole issue. There should be equal access for the development and the citizens. Cato
Posts: 171 Chucky Cazalas likes to wine and dine ole Eric
6/9/2006 1:57:23 AM Maybe we ought to join them Curdumdeon. hehehehe. Eric will probably be given his own room free Cato
Posts: 171 Is Eric ready to debate ole Homer? On Beach and Harbor Bridge? Homers email
6/9/2006 3:29:34 AM reads, anytime, anyplace. I''ll be on call 24 hours.
Now we need a moderator? Mayor Henry Garret and Co. Jugde Terry Shamsie.
Posts: 4 Eric's beach agenda
6/7/2006 5:41:22 PM I just listened to eric talk for 30 minutes about how great cutting off vehicle access to the jetties is. He is totally using his radio show as a tool to promote his side only. The GLO has received overwelming public response opposing this closure because the majority does not want it. The law is on the side of the opposition. Collapse all posts in this thread Author Replys lonestar
Posts: 4 Re: Eric''s beach agenda
6/7/2006 5:54:08 PM I love my corpus christi because of the open access we have to all of our beaches and bays. Eric keeps saying the trolly will take us to the jetty. Will they let me throw my stringer of slimy and bloody trout, redfish, or shark in the seat next to the boy, girl, and grandma too. curtis rock
Posts: 754 Pick up the phone....
6/8/2006 12:26:15 PM Hey Lonestar
Just because it''s Von Wade''s show doesn''t mean a sole agenda is being pushed. He may push a viewpoint, but he''s not the only one.
Last time I checked, he takes phone calls from people. If you want another side of the story presented, pick up the phone and call him up.
Eric is very good about taking calls from people in opposition. CommonSense
Posts: 568 Agree with him or not..
6/7/2006 9:20:23 PM It is the Eric VonWade show. I believe that means he sets the topic of discussion. Kind of neat when you basically ""own"" the show don''t you think? lonestar
Posts: 4 Re: Agree with him or not..
6/8/2006 12:29:29 AM Yes, perfect for pushing an agenda. I just can''t believe he doesn''t see the fisherman/surfer/citizen side to this. If this was an area where hog, goose, or duck hunting was prime, and 4wheeler/truck access was being taken away, he would have a completely different take. The sharpshooter crowd would be all over this. Imagine carrying all those decoys, dogs, guns, knives, ammo, and whatever else you need to the end of the jetty after already walking 1800 feet...impossible. Every poll that has been done on this issue has shown an overwhelming opposition to the vehicle restriction. Eric has joined the city council in their agenda to do this even though the majority of citizens are against it. That goes against everything Eric has appeared to stand for all these years. I don''t mind him expressing his opinion about the issue, we all should, but he crossed the line when he begged his listeners for an hour to contact the GLO and try to show support that doesn''t exist. CommonSense
Posts: 568 Welcome to the forum lonestar...
6/8/2006 7:58:11 AM but he crossed the line when he begged his listeners for an hour to contact the GLO and try to show support that doesn''t exist.
Understand that he didn''t cross any line. It is his show. He did what any other talk radio host would have done. Cato
Posts: 171 Homer & Eric should debate the issue - want ratings
6/8/2006 12:19:48 AM here is the show to end all shows. The looser will resigh from KEYS? Rudy
Posts: 120 Re: Homer & Eric should debate the issue - want ratings
6/8/2006 12:21:13 PM That would not even be a fair fight because Eric''s the only one with a brain. Homer is not even with KEYS, just a guest last I heard.
Anyway to the Beach proposal Mr. Von Wade has brought to the audience attention that he supports this proposal and than has backed that up with reasons why he feels the way he feels. You can''t knock him for doing that, but what you can do is outline your reasoning on why you disagree with the beach proposal.
This is a good discussion becuase it affects our community and should be debated until we are all blue in the face.
I mean what''s best for Corpus Christi? Bringing in this new resort, and the money coming with that or keep our beaches development free?
I still lean to keeping our beaches free because to me there is a big slippery slope aspect of letting one developer in to our beach than you must in essence court all other developers as well. Even though some say this won''t happen how can you tell? I think it is the people''s experience not to trust our City Council.
There are great aspects to this proposal and how much we all would be benefiting from it, so would that be a significant trade off?
Well you just can never really tell, I guess, but I do not think this is the all and be all opportunities the City will have in order to promote growth so I am not too worried about it. Major Carrales
Posts: 421 My position on the beach is well known...
6/8/2006 12:29:50 PM ...and so is Eric''s.
I see no wrong in what he is doing. He believes in the issue, let him have his say...it is his show after all.
If one disagrees...then there is the GLO to contact...either way.
I''m just pleased that there is actually civic participation through the exercise of the lesser known FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT of ""petition for the REDRESS of GRIEVANCES."" odie
Posts: 1 Re: Eric''s beach agenda
6/8/2006 1:29:54 PM I was so moved by Eric''s rant yesterday that I decided to visit his web site. I saw he had a poll so I decided to register and vote in it.
Eric, you have indeed motivated me to write the GLO.
I cannot believe how much mis-information and such is being spread about the so called pedestrian beaches.
Contrary to what you and the developer would want us all to believe, the resort project does not hang in the balance nor will it go away if vehicles are allowed to remain on the public''s beach. There is simpily no more undeveloped beach front in America left. They are not going anywhere.
This resort will all be on private property behind the dunes so vehicles on the beach cannot in anyway be interferring with the development of the resort.
The people here enjoy driving on the beach to find their own special spot and have their BBQ, cooler, tents, whatever with them.
Americans are a people of convinience. If it is not convinient, we will not go to our beach.
I have seen so many ""public"" beaches that resorts sit on. You are not welcome in their parking lots. They put their high prices umbrella rentals all over the sand to mark ""their"" territory.
Any public parking lot will not be plaed in a location that is in the public''s benefit.
Why don''t the resort''s offer free 24 hour parking in their lots and access to the beach if they want my car off my beach in front of their resort?
Pedestrian beaches? Go to Bob Hall Pier. Go to Mustang Island State Park. Go to Port Aransass. There are plenty of pedestrian only zones already.
Offers were made of using the Port A beach model and rejected by the developer.
Iused to live in Ocean Springs, MS long before the casinos in the early 1970''s. The gold coast is booming with money rom all the development. Do you know where they built all those beach front casinos? All on exsisting developed property. Wharfs, marinas, canneries, etc. All along HWY 90 where you could park on the shoulder and step directly onto the sandy beach are still there and still 100% free.
Now don''t think I''m some left wing nut job who is against big business and all. I am very economically conservative. I''ve spent over 15 years inthe military and was in Iraq last year and am ready for another tour. I want this resort to be built. And someone will build it. I''ve already heard the developer say they are proceeding regardless of what happens with the beach access. So just leave the public''s beach alone.
""it''s about time Corpus""? ""I love my CC""? City Council?
Why do they want to stop the petition?
The petition is NOT about driving on the beach. The petition is about letting the people who live here actually vote what they want to have. If it''s no vehicles, then so be it.
Why is the government so afraid of it''s own people?
Fear the government that fears you. Guido
Posts: 180 Re: Eric''s beach agenda
6/8/2006 3:59:53 PM First, welcome lonestar...
Second, EVW has his own show. Ultimately, he alone is responsible for the content of his particular show. Upon taking this responsibility, he has acquired certain authority. That authority allows him to mold the show as he sees fit. If, for example, it was your show, you would be pushing your own beliefs before that of the opposition, and that would be fine...if it were your show.
Eric, like many talk show hosts, takes calls from listeners who agree and disagree. Though I don''t listen to him as often now, as I have in the past due to work related matters, I have not found him to be overly abrupt with those who do not agree with his points. Sure, most of the callers will be in agreement with him, but that is just the way the talk show world is...most listeners agree more often than not with the host to whom the listen.
As for the beach, I particularly could not care less, so I am not even going to get into that issue. I much prefer mountains and snow to heat and salt water; however, my life has plopped me down in SoTex...
Anyway, welcome to the board and give Eric a call. I am sure he will be happy to let you air your point of view. Hopefully, for all concerned, a happy medium will be found that protects the beaches but allows adequate access. Now...if we could only get Mt. Pilatus moved to Kingsville... secondevet
Posts: 1 Re: Eric''s beach agenda
6/8/2006 4:35:36 PM Free access by the public to Texas beaches is now a swan song. The public ""servants"" who are entrusted with protecting our interests are selling them for a bowl of porridge. Check out what the Cameron County Commissioner''s Court has done! Leased Isla Blanca Park to a Federally convicted kidnapping felon to develop a hotel/casino complex where the public now has a parking lot.
Your City Commissioners are no different. The have lost all sense of propriety and history of our area and are selling it away bit by bit. Their dilemma is.... they think they are doing ""the Right Thing"".
Unless the public element remaining with a sense of homage to our forbearers ( see Open Beaches Act) can come forward and make these crucial issues known.... its all history.
Sorry, Eric, but you didn''t think this one through. Show your civic responsibility and retract it all. Get on the side of the people.
speak to any s claymore
Posts: 129 Re: Eric''s beach agenda
6/8/2006 9:07:52 PM There''s a lot of beach around here. Why can''t we have it both ways?
I have relatives in north central TX who average 3wks. a year at the beach. I have tried for 20 yrs. to entice them into staying in Corpus. They always go to South Padre Island instead. Three reasons. The beaches down there are kept clean. There are no cars with alcohol/drug impaired drivers sharing the beach with their children. The threat of violence is much lower. These people are affluent and spend a lot of money down there in three or four weeks. We could have the best of both worlds right here, 180 miles closer to DFW or Houston. ladrtrk55
Posts: 19 Re: Eric''s beach agenda
6/8/2006 10:45:34 PM
Apples to oranges, SPI isn''t NPI. Everything from the water clarity, the type of sand, the highrises on the beach, and the proximity to Mexico make it a much more desirable destination. Not to mention the currents, the same ones that deposit the tons of seaweed on our beach completely bypasses SPI.
What they did to SPI would be illegal today...just like the seawall.
If the kooks who want this place to be like Ft.Lauderdale, Destin, Santa Cruz, Malibu, etc., SPLIT! go live there!
Leave this place to be the unique free space left on Continental America.
Oh, BTW, Eric is certainly entitled to his opinion, he has the mike. But, I challenge ol'' EVW to walk with me to the jetties someday with my usual array of beach gear....I guarantee he changes his tune.
Are ya listening, EVW? lonestar
Posts: 4 Re: Re: Eric''s beach agenda
6/9/2006 12:32:44 AM Thanks for the welcome guido and cs. I should have called when Eric was pushing the restriction but I am not a debater and I didn''t have an organized argument to go up against Eric. I just know that it is wrong to allow a developer to manipulate the public through the city council. I am not against this development at all. I think they should build as many resorts as they want. Just don''t try to hijack our beaches. I don''t think this resort will go over as well as they think anyway. I have been going to our beaches for 35 years and on average we have the dirtiest water, highest humidity, stickiest sand and the most seaweed of any beach I know of. Memorial day weekend was a prime example. Seaweed and trash 1 foot high on all of our beaches. I was afraid to walk to the water in fear of stepping on some hidden obstacle. My point is that, even though I love them, our beaches are not world class and never will be. The reason South Padre has developed so much is because they do have world class beaches. EVW mentioned how we would benefit through tax cuts/breaks. Ask the residents of south padre if they have had any tax relief...the ones I know are having to move off the island because they cannot afford to pay their taxes. As for our beach, a parking lot next to the jetty with a bollard protected beach would solve this whole issue. There should be equal access for the development and the citizens. Cato
Posts: 171 Chucky Cazalas likes to wine and dine ole Eric
6/9/2006 1:57:23 AM Maybe we ought to join them Curdumdeon. hehehehe. Eric will probably be given his own room free Cato
Posts: 171 Is Eric ready to debate ole Homer? On Beach and Harbor Bridge? Homers email
6/9/2006 3:29:34 AM reads, anytime, anyplace. I''ll be on call 24 hours.
Now we need a moderator? Mayor Henry Garret and Co. Jugde Terry Shamsie.
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